Tesla Model Y arriving in late 2019 or 2020

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  1. clprenz

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    Elon Musk has announced that the Tesla Model Y electric compact SUV will ride on a different platform than the Model 3, allowing for higher manufacturing efficiency. While Musk hasn’t revealed a large amount of information on the Model Y, he told analysts during today’s Q1 earnings call that contrary to expectations, Model Y will ride on a completely different platform. Musk highlighted the reduced wiring in the Model Y will enable faster manufacturing and an overall less complex design. Tesla’s flagship Model S and Model X have approximately 3 km of wiring within the vehicle, while Tesla’s highly anticipated Model 3 will have roughly half of that at 1.5km of wiring. Model Y on the other hand will only have 100m of wiring, a 95% reduction over Model 3.

    While wiring isn’t the only difference in the platform, Musk highlights it as a major example of the evolution. The wiring in the Model Y will have different voltage and will handle both power and data across the vehicle. The changes in the vehicle’s design will allow for much higher automation in the factory. Musk viewed the Model Y as a crucial piece to reach the 1 million vehicle production target.

    Tesla’s future compact SUV is expected to arrive in late 2019 or early 2020 after the company scales up production of the Model 3. While many perceive that Tesla often misses production deadlines, Musk reiterated that the Model X was really a showcase of Tesla’s technical abilities and proved to be very difficult to put into production. The Model Y will be built on a new platform that redesigns the vehicle’s architecture, as Musk stated that 12V electronics would be removed in favor of next-generation electronics. The serial tech entrepreneur explained  that the 12V design “isn’t really right” for most electronics, leaving room for improvements.

    It’s unclear how much time Tesla’s engineering team is putting into the Model Y currently, as focus remains on Model 3 production and first deliveries. Additionally, we expect Model Y’s new vehicle architecture will eventually debut in the next generation of Model S and Model X, along with the 2170 battery cells being used in Model 3.

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  2. Dave G

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    It's clear now. The Tesla Semi is coming first because it is made from Model 3 parts while the Model Y is not. If you can make the Tesla Semi with the same car parts and motors....there's no reason not to launch into that right away. A lot higher profit margins in it too is my guess.
     
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    No way. A mid-size sedan needs a completely different platform than a Tesla Semi. Your guess about profit seems off as a Semi costs over $200K vs. $35K for M3.
     
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    This is amazing news. From 3000m to 100m of wiring is incredible. Also moving away from 12v battery infrastructure is very interesting. It will be interesting to see how these changes affect next-generation MS/MX. The MY cannot arrive soon enough. I imagine lots of the delay is GF 3,4,5 need to get going.
     
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    You need to listen to the latest Tesla conference call. From Electrek: "The CEO disclosed that Tesla Semi shares “a lot” of parts with the Model 3, including the new motors made for the upcoming $35,000 all-electric sedan."

    Elon Musk didn't say all parts. He said the motors and other shared parts with the Model 3.

    So if you can use a lot of the same parts and the same motors....and you're building them in mass quantity anyway, it means the cost for building the semi will be lower in the long run...meaning higher profit margins for a high dollar product: The semi.
     
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    The Tesla Semi doesn't use the M3 platform. It is simply using the motors and others as said "shared parts" from M3. A system that has already been developed.
     
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    Tesla has eliminated the 12 volt lead acid battery and its accompanying wiring. That reduces a lot of parts in the front part of the vehicle. I expect that Tesla has gone from 12 volt lead acid system to a solid state system. Which would mean a lot of miniaturization has gone on and really shrinking the foot print of said system. Ideal for the automation which Tesla is trying for.
     
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    I suspect Tesla will be implementing a system similar to one proposed a decade or more ago, where there is a power/data bus that runs around the car with solid-state controls connected to each device. This eliminates the wiring from battery to fuse box to mechanical controls and finally out to the devices. I could see having a separate higher voltage bus for headlights, the heatpump and a few others that require high power vs a low-voltage bus for electronics.
     
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    #9 vegazosten, Jun 17, 2017
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    I don't care the details.
    Price, range and design and simplicity and a long life without problems will do it for me. ;)
    Since my awareness of cars I always wandering why carmakers makes it so difficult making cars?
    So many parts, so many almost unused parts. And after all... 4 years later we have an old car. Loosing lots of value to.
     
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    So hopefully we will start seeing some model Y rumors floating around, I took some time and compared the sizes of the MS and the MX and reversed it from the M3 to calculate an approximate size for the M.Y.

    Here are my guesses:
    116.6 Wheel Base
    186.8 Total Length
    84.6 Wide
    62.2 Track.

    I then took the M3 pricing and compared it to a BMW 3 series 320i which the Tesla is 5% more sticker price than the 320i, I then compared the BMW X3s price and added 5% to that to get a starting price of $42,052. We could guess that it will either start at $42,000 or $42,500. But if we stick to the 8% increase over the M3 and MX we could be looking at a M.Y price starting at $37,800. Only time will tell but anybody else have any ideas on this?
     
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    Am not as sophisticated as you are... ;)
    For what it is worth, I would expect the Y to be ~$5-6k above the corresponding Model 3 price...
     
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    Status report on Model Y by Elektrek, courtesy of Evannex' twitter feed... know some of you are always hungry for Y news!

     

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